From: Ben517@aol.com
Sent: Tuesday, January 09, 2001 8:15 PM
To: undisclosed-recipients:
Subject: Mail Call NO. 50
Hello,
Finally was able to get a copy of "The Bloody Forest" by Gerald Astor. A must
reading for all members whether you were in The Battle for the Huertgen or
not.

Does anyone have any recollection of Corbin Zickefoose. Guestbook entry of
Nov. 25

Website --members.aol.com/prct517/--- Don't forget the last /
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 Subj: 2001

Date: 1/5/2001 1:51:28 PM Eastern Standard Time
From:    jimi-lizy@infonie.fr
Sender:    jimi-lizy@infonie.fr
To:    Genedie77@aol.com, Genesir@aol.com, reidgthomas@yahoo.com,
ladibug4@juno.com, alan.folkard@virgin.net, JNTURCO@aol.com, Ben517@aol.com,
carolj@club-internet.fr


Happy Happy New Year 2001, much love and a very good health ...

your kids

IJ. Michel, Lizy,
Eric and Lidy

From Le Muy Airborne Museum
France.
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 Subj: Re: Mail Call NO 49
Date: 1/4/2001 7:24:11 PM Eastern Standard Time
From: CackyG
To: Ben517

Another great mail call.  From AOL to AOL does NOT have to be case
sensitive.  However, from AOL to another provider and another provider to
AOL, I believe it IS case sensitive.  Ash everyone to make sure they have
capitalized everything in their screen name that needs to be.  It should be
the way they registered their name with their provider..

Keep up the good work and stay warm.........Dot

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Subj: Address
Date: 1/5/2001 12:30:41 PM Eastern Standard Time
From: Wild bill 517
To: Ben517



I am telling roadrunner to take this thing out. So my address is
to be the same---- Wild Bill 517@aol.com.The experiment is
Dver.
                          Wild Bill 517
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Subj: Re:
Early morning

Date: 1/5/2001 5:11:06 PM Eastern Standard Time
From: JNTURCO
To: Ben517



We are back in business. Our daughter Gail had to get our mail with our old
computer. Buy a new one and you have problems. Hope we are back in service
for good. Will be attending the Fla reunion so probably will see your there.
Leo
Join the crowd. Wait till you try to change providers.
Ben
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Subj: Something to consider!!!
Date: 1/4/2001 12:54:25 PM Eastern Standard Time
From:    jdbutler@flash.net (J.D. Butler)
To:    Ben517@aol.com (Ben517@aol.com)




                          "100 Years Ago"

             The average life expectancy in the United States
             was forty-seven.

             Only 14 percent of the homes in the United States
             had a bathtub.

             Only 8 percent of the homes had a telephone.  A
             three minute call from Denver to New York City
             cost eleven dollars.

             There were only 8,000 cars in the US and only
             144 miles of paved roads.

             The maximum speed limit in most cities was
             ten mph.

             Alabama, Mississippi, Iowa, and Tennessee were
             each more heavily populated than California.  With
             a mere 1.4 million residents, California was only
             the twenty-first most populous state in the Union.

             The tallest structure in the world was the Eiffel
             Tower.

             The average wage in the U.S. was twenty-two
             cents an hour.  The average U.S. worker made
             between $200 and $400 per year.

             A competent accountant could expect to earn
             $2000 per year, a dentist $2500 per year, a
             veterinarian between $1500 and $4000 per year,
             and a mechanical engineer about $5000 per year.

             More than 95 percent of all births in the United
             States took place at home.

             Ninety percent of all U.S. physicians had no
             college education.  Instead, they attended medical
             schools, many of which were condemned in the
             press and by the government as "substandard."

             Sugar cost four cents a pound.  Eggs were
             fourteen cents a dozen.  Coffee cost fifteen
             cents a pound.

             Most women only washed their hair once a
             month and used borax or egg yolks for shampoo

             Canada passed a law prohibiting poor people
             from entering the country for any reason, either
             as travelers or immigrants.

             The five leading causes of death in the U.S. were:
                 1. Pneumonia and influenza
                 2. Tuberculosis
                 3. Diarrhea
                 4. Heart disease
                 5. Stroke

             The American flag had 45 stars.  Arizona,
             Oklahoma, New Mexico, Hawaii and Alaska
             hadn't been admitted to the Union yet.

             Drive-by-shootings -- in which teenage boys
             galloped down the street on horses and started
             randomly shooting at houses, carriages, or
             anything else that caught their fancy -- were
             an ongoing problem in Denver and other cities
             in the West.

             The population of Las Vegas, Nevada was thirty.
             The remote desert community was inhabited by
             only a handful of ranchers and their families

             Plutonium, insulin, and antibiotics hadn't been
             discovered yet. Scotch tape, crossword puzzles,
             canned beer, and iced tea hadn't been invented.

             There was no Mother's Day or Father's Day.

             One in ten U.S. adults couldn't read or write
             Only 6 percent of all Americans had graduated
             from high school.

             Some medical authorities warned that professional
             seamstresses were apt to become sexually
             aroused by the steady rhythm, hour after hour,
             of the sewing machine's foot pedals.  They
             recommended slipping bromide -- which was
             thought to diminish sexual desire -- into the
             women's drinking water.

             Marijuana, heroin, and morphine were all available
             over the counter at corner drugstores.  According
             to one pharmacist, "Heroin clears the complexion,
             gives buoyancy to the mind, regulates the stomach
             and the bowels, and is, in fact, a perfect guardian
             of health."

             Coca-Cola contained cocaine instead of caffeine.

             Punch card data processing had recently been
             developed, and early predecessors of the modern
             computer were used for the first time by the
             government to help compile the 1900 census.

             Eighteen percent of households in the United States
             had at least one full-time servant or domestic.

             There were about 230 reported murders in the U.S.
             annually.
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Kissimmee Mini
Date: 1/8/2001 8:39:27 PM Eastern Standard Time
From:    edfla@netzero.net (edfla)
To:    ben517@aol.com (*Ben and Mary Frances Barrett H Co)




Received an update from Clark Archer today on the Snowbird Reunion.  There
are now 65 individuals registered.  My guess on attendance is 70-75.  Just  2
weeks left.  You can still register.  The email at the hotel is
jallen8419@aol.com

Ed Flannery
Sebastian, Fl.

______________________________________________________________________The
following message was forwarded by Dan Smith. Bill Lewis sent the same
message to Ed Flannery when Bill was in the hospital and he wanted it sent to
all members. We have posted the same message in a previous Mail Call, but
Hanoi Jane deserves all the bad publicity that she can get.
Ben

>
> The following was recently E-mailed to me.   I took the time to read it,
and
> wish you would do the same.   I thank God that my time in Viet Nam was a
cake
> walk compared to others.  Usually I try to put this stuff all behind me,
but
> I can never forgive Jane Fonda and her actions during that period of time.
> We need to remember what she did to our servicemen and country.
>
> Sent: Wednesday, January 03, 2001 9:52 AM
> Subject: FW: Woman of the Year
> Sent: Wednesday, December 27, 2000 10:50 AM
> Subject: Jane Fonda
>
>
> NEWS ALERT
>
> Jane Fonda is being honored as one of the "100 Women of
> the Century."
> Unfortunately many have forgotten and still countless others
> have never known how
> Ms. Fonda betrayed not only the idea of our country but
> specific men who served and sacrificed during Vietnam. Part of my
> conviction comes from personal exposure to those who suffered her
> attentions. The first part of this is from an F-4E pilot.
>
> The
> pilot's name is Jerry Driscoll, a River Rat. In 1978, the former
Commandant
> of the USAF Survival School was a POW in Ho Lo Prison - the "Hanoi
> Hilton." Dragged from a stinking cesspit of a cell, cleaned, fed,
> and dressed in clean PJs, he was ordered to describe for a visiting
> American "Peace Activist" the "lenient and humane treatment" he'd
> received. He spat at Ms. Fonda, was clubbed, and dragged
> away.
>
> During the subsequent beating, He fell forward upon the camp
> Commandant's feet, which sent that officer berserk. In '78, the AF Col.
> still suffered from double vision (which permanently ended his flying
days)
> from the Vietnamese Col.'s frenzied application of a wooden
> baton.
>
>  From 1983-85, Col. Larry Carrigan was in the 47FW/DO
> (F-4Es). He spent
> 6 years in the "Hilton"- the first three of which he
> was "missing in action".
>
> His wife lived on faith that he was still
> alive. His group, too, got the clean ed/fed/clothed routine in preparation
> for a "peace delegation" visit.
>
> They, however, had time and devised
> a plan to get word to the world that they still survived. Each
> man secreted a tiny piece of paper, with his SSN on it, in the palm of
> his hand. When paraded before Ms. Fonda and a cameraman, she walked
> the line, shaking each man's hand and asking little encouraging snippets
> like: "Aren't you sorry you bombed babies?" and "Are you grateful for the
> humane treatment from your benevolent captors?"
>
> Believing this HAD to be
> an act, they each palmed her their sliver of paper. She took
> them all without missing a beat. At the end of the line and
> once the camera stopped rolling, to the shocked disbelief of the POWs,
> she turned to the officer in charge ... and handed him the little pile
> of papers.
>
> Three men died from the subsequent beatings. Col.Carrigan was
> almost number four but he survived, which is the only reason we know
> about her actions that day.
>
> I was a civilian economic
> development advisor in Vietnam, and was
> captured by the North Vietnamese
> communists in South Vietnam in 1968, and held for over 5 years. I
> spent 27 months in solitary confinement, one year in a cage in Cambodia,
> and one year in a black box" in Hanoi. My North
> Vietnamese captors deliberately poisoned and murdered a female
> missionary, a nurse in a leprosarium in Ban me Thuot, South Vietnam, whom
I
> buried in the jungle near the Cambodian border.
>
> At one time, I
> was weighing approximately 90 lbs. (My normal weight is 170 lbs.) We were
> Jane Fonda's "war criminals." When Jane Fonda was in
> Hanoi, I was asked by the camp communist political officer if I would
> be willing to meet with Jane Fonda. I said yes, for I would like to tell
> her about the real treatment we POWs were receiving, which was far
> different from the treatment purported by the North Vietnamese, and
> parroted by Jane Fonda, as humane and lenient." Because of this,
> I spent three days on a rocky floor on my knees with outstretched arms
> with a large amount of steel placed on my hands, and beaten with a
> bamboo cane till my arms dipped.
>
> I had the opportunity to meet with Jane
> Fonda for a couple of hours after I was released. I asked her if she
> would be willing to debate me on TV.
> She did not answer me. This does not
> exemplify someone who should be honored as part of "100 Years of Great
> Women." Lest we forget..."100 years of
> great women" should never include a traitor whose hands are covered
> with the blood of so many patriots. There are few things I have
> strong visceral reactions
> to, but Hanoi Jane's participation in blatant
> treason, is one of them.
> Please take the time to forward to as many people as you
> possibly can.
> It will eventually end up on her computer and she needs to know
> that we
> will never forget.
>
> Charles (Skip) Klingman
> Asst. Professor
> of Music
> Southwestern Oklahoma State University
> Weatherford, OK
> 73096
> (580) 774-3219 FAX: (580) 774-3795
>
> If having Jane Fonda named
> one of the woman of the century bothers you
> as much as it