From: Ben517@aol.com
Sent: Saturday, January 13, 2001 1:05 PM
To: undisclosed-recipients:
Subject: Mail Call N0. 51
Hello
I have a couple issues to put forward in this "Mail Call." Information about
our website and the Hanoi Jane story.
Let us know if you have any questions about the website. I have asked Bob, my
son and technical expert, to explain a little about our site. There is no
cost to the 517th Association and never will be as long as we can maintain
the site ourselves. Some sites have professionals to maintain and manage
them, but we hope to be able to do it by ourselves. The beauty about the
Internet is that once you set up the basis for your site, you can link on to
all other sites and get all the information that are on these sites.
Therefore the information available is unlimited. Just go to "other links" on
our site and you can spend days there getting information about the Airborne.
As for the Hanoi Jane story, I would like to hear your comments. No matter
what you call a duck it is still a duck and Jane Fonda will always be a
traitor.
I have booked airfare to Bismarck. Boston to Denver to Bismarck with United.
Senior fare roundtrip $300.

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Subj: Re: Website
Date: 1/11/2001 10:37:00 PM Eastern Standard Time
From: PRCT517

To: Ben517




In a message dated 1/11/01 1:14:09 PM Eastern Standard Time, Ben517 writes:

> Could you send me mail explaining the technical aspects of the site ?
> How much space are we given?
Using the current AOL site ("www.members.aol.com/prct517/"), I only get 2Mb
per user (2,000,000 bytes). That's not much for a web site, but it is free. 
It is plenty for general notes, emails and text, but a few pictures can use
that all up.  Therefore, the site is really divided up into 4 "users":
PRCT517, images517, images517a, and images517b.   Each uses about 2 MB, for a
total of 8Mb of space used.

I could move everything onto another, larger free space that I have on my
MediaOne site, but then it would have a more weird name, such as
"http://people.ne.mediaone.net/r4b4/prct517/index.htm".  So I'm not going to
change it until I must.

I'm keeping my eyes open for other free sites that I can use.  There are many
available, but the free host sites require you to place advertisements at the
top of the page.  I find that annoying, and it takes up too much of the space.

> How much space do we have left?
I don't have much space left right now.  Just enough to add text messages and
guestbook entries.  Any more pictures, and I'll have to create a new AOL
user, "images517c".  But that is not yet a problem.

> What takes up space?
Every message and entry takes up space, but text, such as the guestbook
entries, takes up very little space.  A typical email message is only about
2000 bytes (2Kb).  The entire guestbook, which now includes 86 entries, takes
up 44,000 bytes (44Kb).  On the other hand, a single picture is about 50Kb
all, by itself.  A large one can be 200Kb or more.

> Why no WWW?
That just the way AOL does it -- "http://members.aol.com/prct517/". 
> Should we register the site and what is the cost to do so?
> What are the advantages or disadvantages of doing so?
If we register the site to an "official" domain name, such as
"www.prct517.org", then it would have a nice simple name.  The only reason we
have not done that is the cost, about $75 per year.  But I would also have to
pay for a site location to hold all our files.  That typically costs about
$25 per month additional.  Total would be about $375 per year.  Not much, but
I get it done for free now. 

I would like to find a free location that would offer to host our site -- a
company or maybe an army site.  But we would still have to pay to register
the name for $75 per year.  So far, the army sites (Fort Benning, Fort
Bragg), appear to be official military-owned locations, and they probably
would not let an outsider get into their site to manage our own web page

If anyone owns a company or knows one that is willing to provide a host site,
I'd be glad to hear about it.  We only need about 25 MB of space, which is
invisible to most companies.  And the number of people who access the site
(3000 hits per year) would also be insignificant to any site.

> How long will the site remain on the Internet?
The site will remain on the Internet indefinitely, as long as I have a
location to put it.  I have to maintain it myself, but that is not much work
and I'm willing to do that for many years.  I plan to live for another 30
years or so.  Before I go, I'll find a location to store the information
forever

Bob B

A Byte is one character such  one letter,number hyphen etc..
1000 Bytes is a kilobyte- A page of double -spaced text is about 1000
bytes,known as 1 kilobyte 1K
One thousand kilobytes is a megabite 1,000,000 bytes

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Dot Lubic sent the following information

This is what I found out from airlines.  All major airlines offer senior
coupon books for about $675........4 one-way tickets or 2 roundtrip tickets. 
Northwest is the major airline flying into Bismarck.  Regular airfare drops
almost in half if you stay over Saturday night.  For example, from the
Florida panhandle, Northwest regular fare is $1118 for the reunion dates  By
staying over Saturday and returning home Sunday rather than Saturday, the
fare drops to $456.  Even with added day of hotel bill plus food, you still
come out cheaper to stay the extra night.

All senior coupon books require you to be 62 to purchase and require ID for
proof of age.  I am giving you prices quoted to me by Northwest, Delta,
United, and American for these coupons.  Prices may vary slightly.  Most
books are good for 2 years from date of purchase but American Airlines said
theirs was for 1 year only.

Feel free to post this in the next mail call if you like.  These prices are
current as of today, Jan. 11,2001.  As with all things, these prices could
change.

This is the latest news from the FL panhandle........Dot Lubic
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In a message dated 1/11/2001 6:03:50 PM Eastern Standard Time, ROYHERREN
writes:

Whats in a Joke???....}:o))

> Sometimes, we wonder why friends keep forwarding jokes to us without
> writing a word, maybe this could explain:
>
> When you are very busy, but still want to keep in touch, guess what you
> do -- you forward jokes.
>
> When you have nothing to say, but still want to keep contact, you forward
> jokes.
>
> When you have something to say, but don't know what, and don't know how,
> You forward jokes.
>
> To let you know that: you are still remembered, you are still important,
> you are still loved, you are still cared for, you are still wanted, guess
> what you get? A forwarded joke from me.
>
> So my friend, next time if you get a joke, don't think that I have sent
> you just a joke, but that I have thought of you today and wanted to send
you
> a smile.


As explained previously, I do not place jokes in "Mail Call", however I
appreciate receiving them from Roy, Tom McAvoy and others Probably because of
the above.
Ben___________________________________________________

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Subj: Re: Fwd: Bismarck
Date: 1/12/2001 5:39:05 PM Eastern Standard Time
From:    artann3447@juno.com (Tom mcavoy)
To:    Ben517@aol.com

Thanks Ben  now my only problem  I am replacing my right knee this next
Monday,  Hope fully it will turn out as good as the left one did 4 years
ago.  We have to see how  things go and if I am able to recover as
quickly  as I did 4 years ago. being 4 years older???  Tom McAvoy
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'Hanoi Jane' Rumors Blend Fact and Fiction

Dateline: 11/03/99 By David Emery
Email rumors blending fact and fiction
about Jane Fonda's activities as an anti-war protester during the 1970s have
reopened old wounds for Vietnam veterans and inspired a new round of
recriminations for things the actress did long ago, and things she never did.
The rumors (see next page
) center around Fonda's tour of North Vietnam in
1972, during which she cozied up to the enemy, posing for photo ops with
communist troops and broadcasting anti-American propaganda
over Radio Hanoi.
During the same trip she participated in a staged press conference with
American POWs, the purpose of which was to demonstrate that they were not
being mistreated by their captors. Years later when the released POWs
described the torture and degradation they really did suffer at the hands of
the North Vietnamese, Fonda called them "hypocrites and liars." Those facts
are not under dispute. Fonda's behavior at that time, considered treasonous
by some, earned her the nickname "Hanoi Jane" among the veterans and POWs of
the Vietnam War, some of whom hate her to this day. Since the '70s Fonda has
revamped her image several times over, rededicating herself to her acting
career, becoming a fitness guru in the early '80s, and marrying billionaire
Ted Turner in 1991. In 1988 she delivered a televised apology to Vietnam
veterans and their families, a gesture that didn't mollify everyone but
established some distance between the new Fonda and old Fonda, whose actions,
she finally admitted, had been "thoughtless and careless." As the '90s
progressed Fonda's past was less frequently brought up as an issue and seemed
to dwindle in importance – until this year, that is, when Barbara Walters
chose to honor the actress in a TV special called "A Celebration: 100 Years
of Great Women." The announcement of the program – which aired in April 1999
and did honor Jane Fonda – prompted an instant outcry from veterans and
ex-POWs, many of whom vented their indignation via the Internet. Angry
recriminations were posted in newsgroups, published in newsletters and on Web
pages, and shared by email. Apparently bits and pieces of these texts, along
with a few shameless fabrications, were cobbled together by persons unknown
to create the "Hanoi Jane" diatribe which still circulates today. Parts of it
are true and parts of it are false.
T
hough we don't know precisely when versions of the "Hanoi Jane" message
first began making the rounds (presumably among veterans and military
personnel), they found their way into general circulation in early September.
Each of the versions I've seen exhibits slight variations in format and
wording, and in some cases added comments and/or deletions. Jon E. Dougherty,
a columnist for WorldNetDaily, saw fit to quote a version of the message
verbatim in his September 15 column entitled "Not saluting Jane Fonda
."
Interestingly, Dougherty's piece, complete with his own commentary, was
copied and distributed by readers and quickly established itself as another
popular variant of the already-circulating text. [Update: Mr. Dougherty
published a <A HRE