From: Ben517@aol.com
Sent: Sunday, January 11, 2004 11:06 AM
To: undisclosed-recipients:
Subject: MAIL CALL NO. 619 517TH PRCT--JANUARY 11, 2004
Hello,
 
We now have both the Mail Call Archives and a search engine for the website. Everyting that has ever been put on the website  and all Mail Calls can easily be located.That will probably be the last forward move we make unless Bob gets another "brainstorm"
 
Ben

 
Website                           www.517prct.org
 
Mail Call                           Ben517@aol.com
Mail Call Archives         http://517prct.org/mailcall_archives.htm
 
Search engine               Search this site
 


Annual Florida Snowbird Mini-Reunion 2004
January 18-22, 2004
Kissimmee, FL


Bob Barrett

Dad,
 
Just a little explanation about the new search engine for the web site:
 
I recently figured out to add a search engine, which you can locate on the Table of Contents.  Using this, you just enter a word or set of words, and the engine will locate each and every page on the website that contains that word.  It works great for finding information about a particular person or place.  If you type in the name "Lissner", it will return 16 pages in which Lissner's name appears.  Manhay returns 31 references.  A recent guestbook inquiry is about Jack Milojevich.  A search for Milojevich returns 6 hits, including 2 photos.
 
Now that we have added the MailCall archives, a large number of the hits are the old mailcall files, where a person's name was mentioned, or they wrote the message themselves.  I think that is okay, especially if a new person finds the site and is looking for old contacts or info.
 
But this search engine does have some limitations:  First, many of the older documents on the website are just photos of documents (.gif, .jpg, and .pdf files), and the words on these images are not searchable.  For example, the December 1944 roster is a good place to see what unit a particular person was with, but that is not searchable.  (Someday we'll retype it all.)  Secondly, you may want to check for various spellings of names and places.  For example, Lissner gets 16 hits, but Lisner also gets one more -- an entry in a mailcall where it was spelled wrong.  You'll just have to think about it and try different combinations.  (Barrett gets 51 hits, but Barret gets another 3.)
 
The easiest search is just to put in a single name or word.  For example Lissner get 16 hits, but John Lissner gets 90.  Why? -- because it is finding all documents that contain either "john" or "lissner".  You'll just have to try some combinations.  You can use AND or OR combinations -- the instructions are at the bottom of the search page -- but, unlike most search engines, you cannot use quotes.  E.g. "trois ponts" with quotes, will find zero entries.  But Trois gets 21.  My advice is to keep it simple and use one word at a time.
I hope this helps.
 
Bob Barrett
Tom Reber
Dear Ben,
 
Regarding the Mulligan Guards.  Here is a link I found that may prove helpful.  It doesn't require snail mail and you can choose from 3 different speeds to play it back.  Words and music included.
 
http://www.traditionalmusic.co.uk/irish-folk-music/007076.HTM
 
See you soon!
 
Regards,

Tom Reber

Pat Smith
Ben, This may be too long for the Mail Call but is well worth the read. See you and Fran in Kissimmie. Pat
Bob Dalyrmple
Hi Ben, I did'nt know anything about the Muligan Guards, but it sure
sonds like fun . Now, re your comment recently about not putting
anything  inmail call unless given permission by the originator , you
have my OK to print my remarks recently about Boom Boom Alicik if yo
deem it of general interest. Bob Dalrymple- Great Work, you and son Bob


Tom Cross
 
Ben:
       Thought you might find this of interest for several reasons. First, it gives a reasonable account of a small unit action that took place on D-Day in OPERATION DRAGOON and secondly, it gives pause to wonder about our administrative and decision making that took place concerning combat awards when operating on our own and later when assigned to the 13th Airborne Division at the close of WW II.
       We did not, in my opinion, get a fair shake from the 13th Airborne Division when it come to granting combat awards to the 517th Parachute Infantry Regimental Combat Team. When the 517th PRCT was assigned to the 13th Airborne Division the 596th Parachute Combat Engineer Company was detached from the 517th PRCT as was the 460th Parachute Artillery Battalion. They were then assigned to their respective 13th Airborne Division senior organizations and we became the 517th Parachute Infantry Regiment once again.
       Even before this occurred we were noted for our indifferent administration. We had always placed our emphasis on combat training and operations. To make matters even worse we were constantly either attached to or placed under operational control of many different combat Infantry and Armored Divisions. We   were lucky to keep our heads above water so to speak. Combat awards received little or no priority until we managed to get relieved for short periods of time.
       When we joined the 13th Airborne Division we tried to make up for these past problems. Little did we know at the time of our assignment to the 13th that the difference between being in combat and not being in combat would have an
adverse action on our attempt to reward our people for deserving combat related awards. What we thought to be deserving for a combat decoration was often denied with the official notation that the individual involved was merely doing his duty. If any recognition was given it would often be for a lower award. Yes, we could have done better administratively; They, could have more fair and understanding.         
       At this point I need to make a personal observation. While at Joigny I was recommended for a Silver Star for actions and service rendered in OPERATION DRAGOON. It was reduced by the 13th with a notation that "this officer was merely doing what was expected of a person of his rank". When Paratroopers' Odyssey was first published I noted that I was mistakenly given credit for a Silver Star. It was then too late to change the error as the book had already been published. I am chagrined to learn that the old mistake was unwittingly carried over to our new 517th PRCT Website. Please delete it if you will.   `
       This whole thing brings to mind other actions for award upgrades that have appeared on our 517 PRCT Website. I wish we could right all the errors and wrongs that were made because of the problems previously mentioned earlier in this correspondence. Yet, I would not change the emphasis and time we put on combat training and operations.  I do wish, in retrospect, that we had served our people better in spite of the odds placed against us.  I could go on and on for each separate unit in the 517th PRCT that had men who should have received better recognition.
       We did some good things too that still stand out in our minds and these were things that were strictly 517th PRCT characteristics, like: The policy of promoting from within. Colonel Graves preferred to make commissioned combat appointments from within the 517th ranks of NCO's rather than have officer replacements from other sources. Also, he had the policy that if you were wounded, injured, or taken sick or whatever, and you had to be hospitalized for  lengthy periods that, if you wished to return to the 517th then you would be accepted without loss of rank and this extended to coming back to the same or near same position when and if possible. We were a very close outfit even though we often shot ourselves in the foot administratively.
       Thanks to you and Bob we have this wonderful Website to unite us in brotherly spirit and togetherness just like the old days. I have covered quite a bit of territory in this e-mail message. There is still more to say of our past history and achievements. I believe we can do this primarily through this Website as well as through other means which we can discuss while at the coming Florida Mini Reunion.
       This was written to you and Bob to ask you and to explain to you why the Silver Star listing assigned to me should, in my opinion, be removed from the Website at this time. I also desired to give you some background on what occurred. I trust your judgment as to whether you see this message as a personal outpouring of my feelings and/or something that may be appropriate for Website publication. Although this is rather personal I have no apprehension concerning your decision.
Regards, Tom
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Most any information that Tom Cross writes about is appropriate for the website. Where else will future historians that may want to write about the 517 going to find this kind of information? We will add  it to "Recollections"  on the website.-Ben
     
-----------------Forwarded Message:
Subj: US Army Military History Institute 
Date: 1/10/2004 1:51:41 PM Eastern Standard Time
From: Tomx517
To: Crosswc

Wayne:
       Here is the info needed to make an initial contact at USAMHI. The following name and address is taken from a letter I received from Dennis J. VetocK, Assistant Director for Collection Management at the U.S. Army Heritage and Education Center at 22 Ashburn Drive, Carlisle Barracks, Carlisle, PA 17013-5008.
His telephone number is 717-245-4139 and his E-mail address is: Dennis.Vetock @ carlisle.army.mil.
       My contact with him was the result of an initial contact with Dr. Richard Sommers, Ph.D., after I told Dr. Sommers that I had a Civil War diary and an interesting author's copy a book entitled the Berlin Wall. Dr. Sommers must have turned the project over to Vetock as it was more in his line of responsibility. Here is Dr. Sommers' telephone number and address: Dr. Richard Sommers, Telephone Number 717-245-3601 and U.S. Army Military Historical Institute, Carlisle Barracks,
Carlisle Pa 17013-5008.
       What you are seeking is a copy of a Headquarters 13th Airborne Division, General Order awarding me a Bronze Star Medal with a V for valor device that was awarded in the Spring of 1945 at Auxerre (Spelling?) France. It concerned my action in assembling a scattered Company plus sized group of men from the 2nd Battalion 517 PIR and joining up with Dick Seitz with the rest of the Battalion less Co. F. I had a broken ankle and it was difficult to move much less keep up with the group after I joined Dick Seitz. I led my group (out front) until I met up with Seitz and then it was difficult for me because my leg was hurting badly. Whenever enemy MG 42 fire held us up for awhile I always managed to hobble up to the front of the column while under fire so when we started out again I could drift to the rear of the column until the next incident and the repeat the process. I was determined to stay with the group and did until we got to our objective and then I had to sit down and found out I could not get up and it was at this point that Dick gave me a direct order to quit and get a medic to take care of me and others and to establish a temporary aid station. Later in the afternoon and after the 551st Infantry Parachute Battalion had jumped and the CG4A Gliders and brought in the few jeeps we had assigned to us in to the Regimental CP Colonel Graves dispatched his jeep to where I was in the Temporary Aid Station with orders to pick me up and take me to the Regimental CP at the Chateau St. Rosseline. Upon my arrival he told me he wanted me to take over the combined duties of the Regimental Executive Officer, Lt. Col. Ike Walton, and the Adjutant, Captain Robert Pearce, until I could be medically evacuated later on to the beach head area fro transport to a Hospital Ship that had arrived with the Invasion Fleet.
       To make things a little more interesting Colonel Graves briefed me on the situation as he knew it at the time and then told me he was taking Major Forest Paxton our Regimental S-3 with him out on a personal recon to attempt to contact some of our other scattered paratroopers that he had been in part time radio contact with. He told me I was in charge until he came back. He was gone over 4 hours or more and returned after dark. Meantime We had a report the enemy was moving towards our CP. We had minimum protection from our own sources but we had over a100 "wild ass" Glider Pilots out around the CP as additional protection.
they would fire at anything that moved so I felt we were secured to that extent. I worried about Col. Graves and Major Paxton getting thru this gang of Glider Pilots without getting their butts shot off but they did manage. Throughout this period I refused to take anything to ease the pain in my leg for fear of nodding off when Graves and Paxton were gone. When we finally got things fairly well settled down after their return they announced they were going to get some shut eye and for me to hold the fort awhile longer. It was just as well as I could not sleep anyway.
Later the next day Lt. Col. Mel Zais reported in with most of his 3rd Battalion which improved matters considerably. I was released for evacuation on the second day and really hated to leave but had no choice in the matter for they had not taken off my jump boot on the bad leg. They loosened the boot strings to allow circulation which helped in place of a splint and it actually helped the recovery process later on. That is the story.
       The part you just read about being evacuated to the CP was never introduced in the award process but will be if I resubmit for upgrading the award. Dick Seitz agrees so now we just have to find the General Order concerned.
Good luck, Dad